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Sunday, November 08, 2009

Beauty, Femininity....and Me?

 Last weekend I was combing my hair, and thinking that hotels really are something of a reality check for me.  The fluorescent lighting is not flattering for skin tones, all the blemishes and wrinkles seem magnified, and somehow I always find another white hair--not to mention all those full length mirrors don’t lie (though I  wish they did).  I was having this beauty crisis when we went over to Barnes and Noble where I picked up Set-Apart Femininity by Leslie Ludy.  Did I ever find soul-food.

The whole subject of femininity is something I’ve been thinking about off and on the last year.  For years I shied away from the word because  it sounded prissy to me.  I’m not a lace and tea party kind of girl.  Even super-soft voices or supreme sweetness get to me after awhile.  Let’s be REAL.  You know?  On the other hand, I do appreciate graciousness,.   There is nothing beautiful about a woman who is sloppy or always loud or unmannerly.  For some reason, I saw the two extremes as the options. 

In the last couple years, I’ve started seeing another example.  I’ve gotten to know a girl who has such grace, but her style is a lot like mine.  She likes funky colors.  She wears square heels much more than pointy.  She would be more likely to serve foods on chunky ceramics than fine china.  She’d go for polka dots or stripes over floral, but she doesn’t shun everything pink or soft or ruffled or…well, feminine.  She is somehow modern and feminine all in one.  I like it a lot. 

While I was talking with an older lady about aging she said, “You know, there are women who are so beautiful because of who they are in Jesus .  They have become so much like Him, that when you look at them you  really see Him.  I don’t even notice that they have wrinkles.  (And even their wrinkles are different because they come from smiling instead of wrinkles from an uptight expression.)”  Whenever I hear that, I know it’s all so true!  Yet, I also feel the tug of wanting to be an attractive person.
 
--You know how sometimes you meet someone and her looks really aren’t outstanding.  Then you get to know her and you start seeing her as a very, very beautiful person? 
--Or at first you think she’s so beautiful.  Later you notice that it’s not her features, but who she is…her radiance, her personality?
--Or when you’re with her, you always think she is so pretty.  When you see a picture of her, you’re surprised that she’s not actually that stunning.  (On the other hand, you see a picture and think she’s beautiful.  In real life her demeanor and spirit negate the beauty you thought was there.)
--Other women are just plain beautiful in a way that strikes you the minute you see them.  They‘re 100% pretty.

We so often hear that it’s what is inside that really matters (and it is); but I think we all feel  the desire to be the kind of beauty you recognize immediately--not just once you’ve learned to know us.  We often feel we don’t measure up.   In Set-Apart Femininity Ludy  says, Such is the dilemma of all  too many Christian young women today.  We are told to appreciate our own unique beauty and accept ourselves for who we are.  Meanwhile, we are constantly assaulted by a world that insists we aren’t alluring enough--that we need to change our bodies, our clothes, and our personalities in order to be more appealing.  Why don’t we see ourselves as beautiful?   Is it our perceptions?  Is it only that the world has influenced our view of beauty? 

And later the definition for femininity: Set-apart femininity blends the classic womanly grace and dignity of an Audrey Hepburn with the sacrificial, poured-out-for Christ lifestyle of an Amy Carmichael.  It’s true feminine beauty merged with absolute abandonment to Jesus Christ.  It’s the sparkling vibrant, world-altering Christ-like version of femininity that your King created you to exude.

I don’t think these two quotes alone nearly give a good representation of the book.  Still, while I gobbled up each word I read, and knew it was all so good, my question remains.  What about physical beauty?  No, we shouldn’t measure our beauty by the world’s standards.  Yes, each of us has a unique beauty.  Yes, each of us is beautiful just as God created us.  Yes, there will always be someone else who we think is so much prettier and makes us feel unattractive in comparison.  No, we shouldn’t compare ourselves to others.  Why, then, do we so desperately want it?

I’m also trying to make sense of how this applies to women in general and how it’s different for me coming from my conservative Mennonite background.  In the community where I grew up, people didn’t talk about looks.  On my wedding day, someone told me, “You look beautiful, Christy….but every bride is beautiful.”

Okay, I know this is very much a ramble and disorganized and sort of about femininity and sort of about beauty and has no definite direction or conclusion….but if you have made any sense out of it, I really want to hear what you’re thinking.  What do you think about beauty?    Do we over-emphasize it?   And mainly, is there any importance there?  (And don’t be afraid to disagree with me.  I’m not afraid of debate.)




[A little more about the book: I didn’t write this down, so I can’t quote, but one of my favorite lines from the book was on sacrificing.  She was talking about a missionaries who gave everything--bicycle, food…everything they had to people who had less than them.  That is sacrifice.  Yet we feel good about ourselves if we do a short-term missions trip with our favorite magazine, ipod, and cell phone in tow.  This whole book is about living a radical Christian life.  She expresses my ideals….the ones I’ve kind of forgotten about while I’ve gotten pretty comfortable with normal life.

I wish I would have taken notes on another part--it‘s not on physical beauty, but that inner beauty.  It has been bothering me when I hear it, so I guess that‘s why I just loved reading it in a book--Many contemporary Christian books and conferences are teaching women to reconnect with the beauty within them.  But really, there is nothing beautiful that is of ourselves.  Any beauty in us is because of God; searching within ourselves for real beauty is futile.]


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There is a LOT of thoughts in here...so I'm not totally sure what to comment on, so I'll just go with this...


About people not being so stunning but something about them just being really radiant and beautiful...We went out to eat the other night and our waitress had this beautiful smile and such a grace and peace/joy about her. Part way through dinner I asked Jeremy how he would rate her on the "pretty scale" of 1 - 10. He thought about it for quite a while and then said something like "Well, she probably wouldn't rate that terribly high, but because of her personality, she would rate a lot higher than she would otherwise." And it was so true.


I've struggled a lot with not feeling beautiful.  We didn't really get any compliments on our looks growing up.  But it is encouraging to know that as I grow in Jesus, His light can shine through me and maybe help improve my very average looks.  But, its really not about us anyway, is it?  That's the hard part to remember. Hope that all makes sense. Enjoyed your post!

Posted 11/8/2009 7:01 PM by appalolly - reply

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If you're asking if "we" over-emphasize it, as in "we Mennonites", then I think the answer is a resounding NO!  It's more like we're afraid of beauty b/c we see its value to the world, so we endorse an uber-conservative approach of avoiding it altogether.  Granted, it is difficult to strike a balance where beauty is concerned, but I'd almost argue we don't emphasize it enough.  Then we turn out young girls who either feel guilty for wanting to look pretty, or lack the self-confidence to be who God made women to be- beautiful. 
Posted 11/8/2009 8:35 PM by cuz_He_lives - reply

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@appalolly - 

Yeah, it makes sense, but it doesn't address the thing of physical beauty. Maybe I need to let it go? You know beauty is all in the eyes of the beholder? Well, I don't have to look beautiful to everyone, but at least to my husband....why does he have to work so hard to convince me that I am? Why?

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[adding to your last sentence] or go way overboard in trying to beautify themselves any way they can get by with.
Posted 11/8/2009 8:44 PM by twofus_1 - reply

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Oh, Christy.  I think I need a few hours to chew on all this.  But I would have to say, I think we conservative mennonites have a habit for "avoiding" beauty.  I think the desire to be beautiful is a desire that God has placed in us as woman.  I also believe that if we focus too much on outer beauty we lose something of our inner beauty.  My husband appreciates when I make extra efforts to look nice.  I think our God loves beauty.  I see it in His creation.  I also believe that our culture has created some unrealistic ideas of what beauty really is. 


A bunch of random thoughts which you probably already expressed in just a few different words.  Definitely some thing worth thinking about.

Posted 11/8/2009 8:56 PM by msluz - reply

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Yay for you!!!   LOL on the hotel mirrors!!! (And dressing rooms!)


I've been thinking about some of this in the last few weeks. I just finished the book "Do You Think I'm Beautiful?"  by Angela Thomas.  Most of the book focuses on inner beauty, but the very last chapter addresses physical beauty.  She asked the question: "Is it Ok, for a woman who loves Jesus, to pursue physical beauty?"   


Since you asked the question about Mennonites and beauty, I'll say what I think.  :) 


We have focused a lot on humility and somehow got the idea that beauty and humility just can't be put together.  (Not saying everyone does this)  Also, we have put great value on looking alike.  I can't say how frustrating this has been to me!   Why do we all have to part our hair on the side, wear Aeropostle sweaters, and brown Sketchers, whatever!!!!???  When I walk into most Mennonite churches....we all kind of look alike.  There is nothing wrong with looking alike.  But you can't tell me that all those woman like the same colors and styles of dresses, skirts, hair style, etc....  Why can't we be ok with being different??? (Within God's standards for modesty)


  There is nothing wrong with purposely choosing colors that compliment your skin, eye, and hair color.  Sloppiness can be everybit as distracting as modesty!  Why are we afraid of beauty, in ourselves and others.  Somehow we think that if someone thought we were actually trying to look beautiful, that would be the ultimate humiliation! Like Angela said in  a comment above, I think we might be reacting to the world's over-emphasis on beauty.


And about the pink lacy stuff....that's not me either!  I think femininity can be expressed in many ways.


Maybe it's not the beauty we are scared of so much, as the desire to be beautiful?


Sorry for the extremely long comment!

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@msluz - 

Lucy, I loved your words!!! I especially liked, "I think the desire to be beautiful is a desire that God has placed in us as woman. I also believe that if we focus too much on outer beauty we lose something of our inner beauty." If you think more and have more revelations, I want to hear them, too. :)

@rachi882 - 

Please, don't apologize for a long comment. I am soaking it in. Loved what you said about us fearing the desire to be beautiful. I think that is so true, and might answer a part of the question that has stumped me. I'm going to be thinking about that some more. Also liked what you said about Mennonites trying to find beauty the same way. One thing I liked about a family of girls here is that they express beauty in different ways--some of their clothes are not in style(For example, they don't totally boycott gathered sleeves on every dress just 'cause they're not in right now.), but they always look beautiful.
Posted 11/8/2009 10:37 PM by twofus_1 - reply

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Interesting topic and a universal one.  I think too that God placed within us women the desire for beauty.  I've had to wonder already why there is admonition to women in Scripture for moderation when it comes to the external and not men.  I believe that God knew women might have a tendancy to over do it.  When we are dating we want to look our best for that certain someone, and I think they still appreciate it even after 17 years of marriage...=)  And yes, inward beauty goes a long way on outward beauty.  and I think the uniqueness of different personalities and styles is great....life would look boring if we all looked the same....=)
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@rachi882 - This might be off-topic a little, but is the book you mentioned a great-read or an ok-read? I've had it on my shelf for years and never got around to reading it(Yeah, I have lots of books I never read) I did think of the title of the book when I read this post, and it almost made me wanna go read it right now. Maybe I'll read it soon if you say it's worth it!


Christy, this is a good topic. One I try not to think of too much, because I don't see myself as beautiful :( My husband and I had a huge argument about that when we were dating, because I insisted he could not see me as pretty, and he got mad at me for doubting what he said. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, for sure, because just tonight someone was saying that _________ thinks their husband is (for lack of better words) a chick-magnet because he's so good-looking. I laughed harder than I have for weeks. (You'd have to know the context to understand why I found that so amusing) I think he's one of the more homely men I've met, plus he's overweight. I'm glad she finds him attractive, but to think other woman would be drooling over him...:lol: She's naive!


Anyway, I'll definitely be back to read more about this. I might even dust off a couple of my books and start reading them (like I'll have the time to read at all this year anymore!) I'd love if you'd write a follow-up!

Posted 11/8/2009 11:48 PM by richlyblest - reply

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Good topic. I also admire women that handle themselves with grace and try within normal means to be beautiful. It seems like many women around me lose that sparkle as they get older. Both in their personality and in dress. I realize lifes circumstances have a way of getting us down, but some of the most "beautiful" women I know, have been through the mill, and stood victorious at the end.
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@richlyblest - I know we all have different things we are looking for in books, but in my opinion, the book I mentioned above is a great read.  Angela Thomas focuses on truth about the way God sees us.  I also enjoyed reading Captivating by Staci Eldredge.  But Mrs. Eldredge focuses more on trying to convince ourselves that we are outwardly beautiful.  I liked Angela Thomas's book better because I think when we realize that God delights in us as a person, then we will be more likely to believe that it includes the outward.  I know you didn't ask for a comparison of two books.  But it helped me explain why I liked it so much! :)  I really did enjoy Captivating too, it just felt like something was missing.....

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@twofus_1 - Christy,


Just wanted to thank you for being brave enough to talk about beauty!  I saw you had 109 veiws and 9 comments!  I think it's a popular topic!

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@rachi882 - 

Thanks. I liked what you wrote about Captivating. I liked it when I read it, but kept feeling as though something is so wrong. That was one of the books referred to in S-A F (last paragraph of my post). I think you summed it up well.
Posted 11/9/2009 7:58 AM by twofus_1 - reply

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Bullseye!
I fell asleep last night processing this and still think I'll end up writing a post comment instead of a little.
If beauty is in the eye of the beholder, why do we have such a hard time believing that what the other person sees is beauty in their eyes?
Why does someone have to be knock out gorgeous in order to be "beautiful?" Like maybe they have gorgeous eyes or an amazing complexion but we don't notice b/c we see only their face as a whole and think they're "average." This is one of the unexpected things that happened to me since I started doing photography. I have on more then one occasion put my camera to my eye to take a photo, dropped it (and my lower jaw) and exclaimed, "you have gorgeous eyes" (or whatever) b/c I'd simply never noticed. In one of the last magazines I got there was an article on marriage and they said one of the secrets of happily married couples is that they focus on the things they like in their marriage instead of always trying to work through the negative stuff. Maybe that's what's wrong w/ us. I constantly notice my freckles and skin spots and nose and coffee stained teeth and a lot of other things instead of looking for the strengths that God did give me. ??? I agree that you can focus on outward beauty too much but I agree w/ everyone else that most Menno's have the opp problem. It's so wrong that you almost have to make yourself look ugly and you worry so much about being "humble" that you end up focusing on yourself all the more......
Liam's up and crying. I'll be back to see what more people think.
Posted 11/9/2009 8:17 AM by smilesbymiles - reply

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I wanted to say in regards to your comment about my comment...I WAS actually addressing the issue of physical beauty by saying that when someone has a grace and peace and a joy about them...they become more beautiful. (Like the waitress that I was writing about).  And what I was trying to say and maybe didn't articulate very well was that it gives me hope because even if I know that I have pretty average looks, I can become more beautiful by being beautiful inside and having a beautiful spirit and smile and I will actually end up appearing "prettier" to those around me.  But the inner needs to be the focus.  And that is something that is very hard for me to find the balance on!  I think I tend to focus too much on the outward and not enough on the inward, and I want to continue to ask God to change that in me and bring it into balance as He would have it!
Posted 11/9/2009 9:55 AM by appalolly - reply

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This subject is so exciting to me! Great great thoughts all around, from post to all the comments. Up till the time I was 23 I was amish and so much focus was put on not being "proud" that finally some were proud not to be proud. (does that make sense?) After we joined the menn. the amish cousins saw us in other clothes, they instantly classed us immodest because it was different, colorful, and patterned. I have come to realize that when a women is beautiful or wears beautiful womenly clothes some class her as immodest, for lack of understanding. Do we ever do that with those more liberal? I am just asking?


Ok, I understand Christy your idea was not about clothes themselves, so I'll move on. :)


 I understand how you feel Christy, the mirrors.....ugh. Growing up my sisters were skinner, pretty and more girly then I. I am a square heel, stone dishes, no frills kinda girl. Today I am comfortable with my tastes. But when I look in the mirror I still tend to see the plain jane sister, the pimply, (now slightly overweight one as well) and I can't help but feel "less then". My husband does NOT lack the "you are beautiful" speech! I do believe he finds me beautiful, I am glad I can believe that now. :)


 Great discussion going on here, I am looking forward to coming back for more. ;)



@rachi882 - 


Your taste does stand out among the menn. women and it's something I have greatly admired in you. You dare to dress within your own tastes and I think it's beautiful!!!:coolman: 

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Oh, and before I forget, character. Oh sweet character......it does so much for women, and so does the lack of it. Sweet, smiles, joyful eyes, kind spirit, gentle opinions......a women of God carries a beauty that attracts those around her, no matter the lack of smooth skin, slim figure, or classy clothes. Recently I have heard more then one women cry for her lack of friends. I don't want to sound opinionated, but........when has a women interested in others, smiling, inviting character, a Jesus love expressed...... lack of friends?
Posted 11/9/2009 10:12 AM by seekinHISwisdom - reply

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Hi to you all, I must admit I don't know you but ran across your site and must say this is a great topic. I just couldn't resist but leave a comment after reading your post and the comments. Thank you so much for posting that, I have certainly been blessed and will keep checking back for more. I have also wondered at times how much emphasis we as Mennonites put on about our outward beauty.  Thank you again for posting this.


     ~Melissa Barkman (from Nova Scotia, Canada)

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@seekinHISwisdom - Aw Diane, thanks.  There are many times I feel weird, but I try to dress according to my husbands taste and my own.  I really don't mind being weird!


I am glad to hear you say that you believe your husband when he says you're beautiful!  I really think you are beautiful...I just wish I could be brave enough to agree with my husband when he compliments me! 

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I know exactly what you mean about seeing others in a different light once you've seen their personality.  I think every girl struggles with knowing that inner beauty is most valuable, but wanting to feel beautiful outwardly also.  I have a lot of thoughts on this subject, but I'll save that for my own post sometime...maybe    Great post!  REC!
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on that friends thing: amen and amen and amen and amen
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The message in 'Set Apart Femininity' is clear, precise, refreshing and much needed in our world today, and yes, even in our Mennonite culture. I think that beauty is a gift from God and something to be celebrated.  I do not think that a lady should have to feel guilt for being beautiful or for wishing to be beautiful.  I believe that beauty is a gift from God and that beauty will look different for each person that he creates. In other words, the beauty that he blesses us with is unique to each individual. Our world yells loudly at us  that being/becoming a beautiful woman is a goal that is worth every ounce of energy I have, every extra dollar I have...basically is worthy of consuming your entire life. I think that Jesus tells us something totally different. He says, "I love you. You're beautiful. In fact, you're more beautiful to me than what you can imagine!  I want you to bring honor and glory to me. I want you to give all of yourself to me...and I will transform you everyday, every moment into a more beautiful person." That is very much a personal interpretation of my own.


Reading all these comments just makes me realize that we are all unique individuals. We have all had varying experiences and come from different communities!!! I am from a Mennonite community but I feel like beauty has been emphasized and even over-emphasized at times. I think the generation older than me would have been more in the "recognizing beauty is pride camp", but not my generation. I (personally) feel that we have swung plenty far in the other direction where we pick up on the world's values, which includes a HIGH value of physical beauty, and then we somehow try to spiritualize it. Notice that I use the word 'we'...because it's not just others I am speaking of, I am speaking of myself as well.

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Good, good stuff here....I was just sorting through this issue recently and now here you are with a great post on it. Sometimes I don't realize the full extent of how I was raised until I see my daughters delighting in being "pretty" and showing Daddy. Their Daddy always comments on them, esp. Sunday mornings. My Daddy loved beauty too, and commented on it as much as he could within our plain circle...but he died when I was 9, and that was the last of the compliments. I have struggled with this issue, although my dh has tried to help me through it. I do believe sometimes in our conservative dress, we snuff out something very important in our little girls and young ladies...all the women actually. Now having said that, I also have strong convictions on modesty.Nothing seems more wrong than Godly women showing cleavage! And above all, Godly character is way more important than outward beauty any day. Bless you as you pursue true beauty.
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Enjoyed your post, enjoyed all the comments! A subject also dear to my heart.

In the home I grew up in, we never talked about "being pretty" or "being beautiful", that was too wordly (?) or too proud,etc.!! :(

Now I have four daughters and they love being pretty, they love having Daddy tell them they're pretty. Instead of focusing only on their outward beauty (although I think it is very important for girls to grow up knowing they are beautiful!), I want them to strive for inner beauty as well. And I want to know how to get there! :)
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Wow so much to read including comments and all.It's always interesting to see others perspective.I'm pretty much in the same boat as others that say outward beauty was a"worldly word."When someone took care of themselves oh how full of pride they were and oh how they thought they were so beautiful.That's a great way to create inferior complex in others.I believe that is why some make choices that I never dreamed that they would.I find it important to tell my children the beauty that God created with in them.It is so hard for me to accept my husbands words of beauty especially when he speaks of outwardly.There are times I don't know what he's seeing.I think oh he's just doing what he's suppose to be saying.Then he tells me that he really means it.I think it's difficult because I never heard it growing up.I believe beauty comes from the heart.A heart that is full of pure Jesus can't help but shine with radiance.But I also believe we should take care of the body God gave us.If one is in Christ they will present themselves in a respectable manner.Body language can say so much in the beauty of a person if you know the person or not.

Florescent lights ughhh they show every pimple and wrinkle inside and out.It ages you about fifty years.Sometimes I start believing the mirror:)
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Lots to read and process here.  I read the post earlier today, but didn't have time to reply.  Now there is even more to read and process!  Thanks for posting this Christy!  It's so intrinsic to us as women!!


Here's a quote that came to my mind - "There are two things that pierce the soul.  One is beauty.  The other is pain." -by Simone Wells.  To me there is something so true about this.  When true beauty (I'm talking totally physical) meets the eye, *it pierces*. (unless for some reason your heart is deadened) 


I think there is something about being secure with myself and who I am in Christ that allows me to celebrate beauty (especially in others).  If I am not okay with myself, then I struggle with jealousy, comparing myself with others, focusing on my negatives (like smilesbymiles talked about).  The sad reality is that because of sin entering the world, beauty is marred.  Everyone is scarred/imperfect.  And, Satan is still a deceiver and loves to try to get us women to believe lies.  Beauty - or lack of beauty - is a HUGE one that he uses.  If we focus on the negatives instead of what truly is beautiful, then he's got us!  I am rendered ineffective when I believe this lie.  I'm not as creative, alive and effective as I could be!!  We have to own the (damaged) beauty that we possess.  Some women definitely have more then others, but if we are secure with who we are in Christ, then I think we can honestly celebrate the beauty that we see in others, and own our personal beauty!


I would say AMEN to  'amoshaun' when she wrote "we have swung plenty far in the other direction where we pick up on the world's values, which includes a HIGH value of physical beauty, and then we somehow try to spiritualize it."


Isn't it true that there are aspects of immodesty that are beautiful?  If this is true....then, as Christians we have a definite line we cannot cross!!


I will be back to read more..... thanks everyone!!

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